From sentto-64825-20755-1046142424-cantsin=zedat.fu-berlin.de@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Feb 25 04:08:05 2003 From paragram Tue Feb 25 04:08:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from theuth [127.0.0.1] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.2.0) for paragram@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 25 Feb 2003 04:08:05 +0100 (CET) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.66.102) with smtp id ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 04:07:06 +0100 (MET) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-64825-20755-1046142424-cantsin=zedat.fu-berlin.de@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2003 03:07:04 -0000 X-Sender: netwurker@hotkey.net.au X-Apparently-To: webartery@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 25 Feb 2003 03:07:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 54541 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2003 03:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2003 03:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop.hotkey.net.au) (202.138.0.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2003 03:07:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 25568 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2003 03:07:19 -0000 Received: from 076.c.002lg.syd.iprimus.net.au (HELO semantic) (210.50.98.76) by greenback.hotkey.net.au with SMTP; 25 Feb 2003 03:07:19 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030225141232.01fbd100@pop.hotkey.net.au> X-Sender: netwurker@pop.hotkey.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: webartery@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <002d01c2dc65$439d8700$c1860944@ri.cox.net> From: mez X-Yahoo-Profile: mzpm MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list webartery@yahoogroups.com; contact webartery-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list webartery@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:12:32 +1100 Subject: Re: [webartery] The Digital Writer Reply-To: webartery@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: *//"!pmk"!5,("!LJE!! At 08:17 PM 24/02/03 -0500, jim andrews wrote: >Joel is joel is [read= subject is X d.fined] [read= frozen.concept.s(h)immering.via.reduction.+.sentenced.2.streamlined.program_ matic.death] >trying to generalize in a very broad way from far too little experience too little experience [read= ab.(no)so(u)loot(ing the guts + draining extensions.*)ism breeds blinkered tite.ness] >and the >direction of his generalizations are, as usual, without conception of the types of depth one >finds in interesting computer art. directions of generalisations [read= narrowing of tan.gen(e)tal methods in2 FixedFrameRating of convers(e)ational parameters] [read= comprehension.death.by.the.proximal + appealing.2.efflorescence.abstractions (ie _depth_)] >Primarily because he has so little experience of such work >and, additionally, conceives of "depth" and the "linguistically imaginative" in such a way that little experience [read= gradings.of.experiental.worth via B.oxe(n strength + blindness filtering)dFormations [read= b.locks and sta(gnan)tic growth.in.strip(p)ed.n.masking.discussion.tights] >can hardly fail to miss the depth and linguistic imagination of truly new work. truly new work: [read= (idiot s)avant(ism) labelling + crossing all tees with a supposed.new.eye] >Here is the post of Joel: [read= concrete.affirm(ed)ation.of.boundaried.state.ments] [read= evidencing.by.proof[read N bled via concept_linkage]] >"A digital writer is one who spends more time dealing with technical problems than writing". > >If artists cannot find the depth in the problems they face, then they are simply 'technical >problems'. If artists can find the depth in the problems they face, then the problems acquire >expressive power. if, then [read= ex.press.ion.via.directives] [u.should|will.be.directed.2!!] >But this is like other things in our lives, isn't it. A writer or artist spends his or her life >in a continual revision and expansion of poetics. Some stuff makes it in to the structure. Other >stuff just has no place in it. revision/expansion/poetics/structure structure structure structure structure structure structure structure structure structure < --> [left.fieldism] labelism >I visit the work and think about it. I don't simply comment on commentary. I visit I don't [read= subject is I d.fined] [read= freeze-dried.N-ceptions + purr.ception.thru.self-shelved|limited(var)parameters] >I am not the only one, Talan, to have questioned the artistic value of the results, over the >last few years, of the extant approaches to hypertextual literature. This is not news to you, >surely. I am not the only 1 [read= SciMethod + ma(turity)jority.validation.techniques] >I do not enjoy arguments for the sake of arguing. I am mostly a lover, not a fighter. But there >are certain things that I find very hard to do. One of them is lie about what I really think >about literature and ideas and the quality and relevance of expression. Because it matters to >me. to lie about [read= re(N)cursion.2.truth.vs.deception.s(c)ales] >I would love nothing better than to read and experience 'hypertext' works that find the depth of >the problems faced therein. I would love [read= emotionality.re(inforcing sincerity via sentiments)ferencing.establisment] . . .... ..... www.cddc.vt.edu/host/netwurker/ .... . .??? ....... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/