Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:02:14 +0000 From: "ruth catlow" To: "lewis lacook" , list@rhizome.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: "digital poetry" vs net art lewis lacook wrote: > me, i just want a net art that is truly an art fitted to its > medium...i want a net art that literally requires the net work in > order to manifest itself... I think this gives the institutions and the structures of the net work far too much respect. Isn't this like saying that we only want art that requires the cubey white walls of a gallery? Why are you so eager to squash your squishy, expressive, human flesh sourced imaginations into the predetermined and rigid labyrinths of mathematically determined structures? I know that my own attraction to 'net art that literally requires the net work in order to manifest itself' is linked to a desire for the safety of limits, control, submission paired up paradoxically with a ridiculous programmed fear and respectful awe of the superior intelligence/functionality ascribed to the 'coded' art work. (I do regard this attraction as perverse-hehe) Perhaps it is similar to a call for evidence of craft in art, a proof that the artist is doing something that most people consider themselves incapable of doing. Or a call for provable rigour. It is definitely a step towards cyborgism which I don't have a problem with per se but which I find it hard to get excited about. Also don't think we can overlook the many different ways that artists come to be net artists often starting with the 'decorative, and how it applies to art on the web... making animations of words--at best, the reactivity and interaction required of the user is touching rollover buttons===which in flash, we know, takes almost no knowledge of code' The animations and 'decorations' represent one of the roots/routes to net art . Or do we insist that in order to enter a 'pantheon of net art' the artist is prepared to dedicate a significant proportion of their practice to learning and manipulating code. If this is what we are saying, then if we want a burgeoning of excellent and relevant work we need to set up apprenticeships for the learning of the craft of code, otherwise we may find that we are excluding a whole gamut of artists with insight and talent but no facility for code and therefore no way to communicate. And what about how that time might otherwise be usefully spent, researching and exploring other relevant human issues. Or perhaps this is finally an admission that like in films we now need a team of people with different areas of expertise to accomplish a net art work. The net does not just provide a distinct medium but represents a platform for a distinct but very diverse culture with a distinct means of distribution. I think that 'net art that literally requires the net work in order to manifest itself' maybe could include art that needs the audience to receive knowledge of its existence through their emails in order for it to resonate. Some very simple image and text web pages are very successful in communicating poetics as true and rigorous and relevant as any net work exclusive works. And the fact that I receive them in my inbox influences how the pieces are received. Thanks Lewis for starting this up cheers Ruth furtherfield.org